#45 Paul Johnson and Paul D. Sonkin: The Enduring Value of Roger Murray

In our 45th episode, we are honored to speak to Paul Johnson and Paul D. Sonkin about their latest book “The Enduring Value of Roger Murray.” As the successor to Benjamin Graham at Columbia Business School, Murray (1911–1998) was a crucial figure in the history of value investing. Johnson and Sonkin are investment professionals and have been involved with the legendary investing program at Columbia Business School since the 1990s. The pair has also written “Pitch the Perfect Investment” and contributed to classics such as “The Most Important Thing” and “Value Investing: From Graham to Buffett and Beyond.”

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This episode was recorded on February 16, 2023.

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Episode Chapters

(00:00) Introduction

(03:32) How Paul & Paul started investing in stocks

(06:38) The Enduring Value of Roger Murray

(11:34) Who was Roger Murray?

(24:15) The Gap between Murray and Greenwald

(43:11) How the value investing class has changed

(46:44) Murray as an investor

(49:43) Incorporating an economic outlook in your investment process

(53:54) How to manage structural and cyclical changes

(58:05) The risk=volatility debate

(01:06:06) Does patience give you an edge?

(01:09:35) Paul Johnson’s work outside teaching

(01:14:15) Governance issues in small vs large companies

(01:17:55) How to judge a management’s allocation skills

(01:22:26) Paul Sonkin’s investment style

(01:28:20) Book discussions

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Books Mentioned

• The Enduring Value of Roger Murray - Paul Johnson & Paul D. Sonkin
• The Centennial - Columbia Business School
• Pitch the Perfect Investment - Paul Johnson & Paul D. Sonkin
• Security Analysis - Benjamin Graham
• Expectations Investing - Michael Mauboussin
• The Outsiders - William Thorndike
• Value Investing - Bruce Greenwald
• The Razor’s Edge - W. Somerset Maugham
• Of Human Bondage - W. Somerset Maugham
• The Valuation of Growth (Upcoming) - Paul Johnson & Paul D. Sonkin

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Companies Mentioned

• Apple
• Alphabet
• Meta
• Kimball International
• Capital Cities
• Berkshire Hathaway

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About the Podcast

Intro episode: https://www.redeye.se/podcast/investing-by-the-books/817383/0-intro-to-investing-by-the-books

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